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Turbulence Rough and Smooth

Eberhard Bodenschatz (MPIDS, Göttingen)
When Nov 03, 2025
from 11:00 to 12:00
Where Salle Condorcet
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Fluid turbulence exhibits strong and seemingly random fluctuations. Despite the highly turbulent nature of the weather and climate systems, we can forecast both quite well. Large Eddy Simulations (LES) and Reynolds Averaged Navier-Stokes Simulations (RANS) do not resolve small scales but are effective in predicting specific turbulent flows. Can we better understand why this is so? Can we quantify this using experimental observations? Here, we present experimental results from the Max Planck Variable Density Turbulence Tunnel, in which we generated turbulence using an active grid and repeated the process with similar initial conditions up to 30,000 times. Regardless of the turbulence strength and the distance downstream from the grid, we found that the energy carrying large-scales of the turbulence were smooth and reproducible. Smaller-scale turbulence, however, was rough, i.e., completely random. The rough turbulence carried only a small amount of the flow's energy. We observed the transition from smooth to rough turbulence at a length scale slightly smaller than the turbulence's energy injection scale. These findings can be related to modeling carried out in LES and RANS. In LES, velocity decomposes into a filtered or resolved component and a residual component, the latter of which is the sub-grid scale. Conversely, RANS follows a similar principle, modeling turbulent fluctuations through time averaging, similar to what we report in these experiments. As another analogy to LES, the ensemble average in our experiments acts as a filter, and the remaining signal can be interpreted as the resolved component typically used in LES. Conversely, the rough part of our experimental signal corresponds to the sub-grid scale of LES that requires modeling. This means that the cutoff length scale (or, conversely, wavelength) of LES corresponds to the transition from smooth to rough in our measurements, where the velocity field turns from reporducible to random. Our findings suggest that turbulence with similar forcing conditions is reproducible and thus predictable. For example, if the inflow conditions are known, the gusts acting on wind turbines or buildings should be predictable. Specifically, our findings imply that large-eddy and climate simulations do not require full resolution of smaller scales because smooth and rough turbulence are separable.  

This work was conducted with Florencia Falkinhoff and Noe Clavier.


 
Biography
 
Eberhard Bodenschatz is Scientific and Managing Director at the Max Planck Institute of Dynamics and Self-Organization (MPI-DS). He is Professor of Physics at the University of Göttingen and Adjunct Professor of Physics and Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering at Cornell University. Following the completion of his doctorate in Theoretical Physics at the University of Bayreuth in 1989 and a two-and-a-half-year postdoctoral stay in Experimental Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, he assumed the position of faculty member in Experimental Physics at Cornell University, where he rose through the academic ranks. In 2003, he was recruited by the Max Planck Society as an Adjunct Scientific Member, and in 2005 he moved as a Director to the MPI-DS, where he has remained ever since. His research is focused on the physics of fluids, of cell and synthetic biology. In his variable density turbulence tunnel, he has achieved the highest level of turbulence under controlled conditions, which can be fully resolved  at all scales.  With his Cloud-Kite,  he is investing the in situ microphysics of stratocumulus and shallow cumulus clouds. In the field of cell biology, his focus has been on the dynamics and self-organisation of cells in response to chemical and electrical gradients. His team  has discovered novel methodologies for the management of cardiac arrhythmias, and has identified a hitherto unrecognised mechanism for the initiation of arrhythmias.  He elucidated the intracellular oscillatory dynamics of Dictyostelium's actomyosin networks. His current research focuses on two main areas: firstly, cilium-driven fluid transport in the third ventricle of the mammalian brain, and secondly, the dynamics and self-organisation in the mechanics engineered heart muscle.  He has been honoured with the prestigious Stanley-Corrsin Award from the American Physical Society (APS), and is a Fellow of the APS,  the European Mechanics Society and the European Physical Society. He elected  member of the AAAS (American Academy of Arts and Sciences) and the Lower Saxony Academy of Sciences, as well as the National Academy of Sciences, Leopoldina. He has made and continues to make significant contributions to the advancement of science. For instance, he was  Editor-in-Chief of the New Journal of Physics for a period of 11 years. In addition, he served on the board of directors of MRS and the governing board of DPG. He held the position of Chair of the Chemistry, Physics and Technology Section of the Max Planck Society. He is the founding member of the Max Planck School, Matter to Life. He is currently serving as Energy Officer in the Extended Presidential Circle of the Max Planck Society and is a member of the Senate of the German National Academy Leopoldina.

 

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